Dans
une interview encore jamais publiée, l'ancien shérif adjoint
Charlie Forgus a déclaré avoir été témoin du crash de
l'OVNI de Roswell survenu en 1947.
Au
mois de juillet 1947, le shérif Jess Slaughter et son adjoint
Charles Fogus se déplaçaient ensemble pour aller chercher un
prisonnier lorsqu'ils ont entendu sur la radio de la police un
rapport indiquant qu'un avion s'était écrasé.
Les
deux hommes, qui se rendaient à Roswell, au Nouveau-Mexique, ont
décidé de partir enquêter. Sur place, ils sont tombés sur la
scène de l'un des incidents d'OVNI les plus célèbres de
l'histoire.
Alors
que l'armée américaine a longtemps prétendu que l'objet écrasé
n'était qu'un ballon météorologique, les théoriciens de la
conspiration sont persuadés qu'un engin d'origine extraterrestre
s'est écrasé sur ce site et que des corps ont été récupérés.
Dans
un nouveau livre, intitulé « UFOs TODAY – 70 Years of
Lies, Misinformation and Government Cover-Up », Fogus
révèle qu'il a vu une soucoupe volante et un personnel militaire
récupérer un certain nombre de corps extraterrestres.
C'est
la première fois que sa déclaration a été publiée.
Dans
l'interview, il raconte qu'une soucoupe volante s'est effectivement
écrasée sur le bord d'un lit de la rivière à « 100 pieds de
là ».
Décrivant
la scène, il raconte :
«
Quand nous sommes arrivés, la terre était couverte de soldats.
Ils transportaient une grosse créature. »
« Les
corps devaient mesurer 5 pieds de hauteur. »
« J'ai
vu les jambes et les pieds sur certains d'entre eux. Ils
ressemblaient à nos pieds. »
«
Leur peau était de couleur brunâtre ... Comme ils avaient
été exposés trop longtemps au soleil. »
« Il
y avait des soldats là-bas ... environ 3 ou 4 cents. »
« Nous
les avons vus les traîner (les corps) là-bas, hors du canyon
jusqu'à des camions … Ils les ont
déposé sur des camions de
remorquage afin qu'ils puissent les transporter. »
Il
a dit qu'après environ 20 minutes, on leur a dit de quitter la
scène. Ils sont donc repartis pour aller chercher leur prisonnier.
Interrogé
sur ce qu'il a pensé de ce qu'il a vu, il a déclaré :
« Dieu
n'a pas seulement créé cette planète ... Il les a
toutes faites. Il a mis des êtres sur
ces planètes tout comme il nous a mis sur celle-ci.
Ils sont plus intelligents que nous le sommes. »
« Ils
peuvent venir nous voir, mais nous ne pouvons pas y
arriver. »
Philip
Mantle a transmis au Daily Mirror une transcription d'une
interview entre le shérif du comté d'Howard, au Texas, Fogus, et
l'enquêteur privé de Los Angeles, Deanna Short. Mantle est un
éditeur de livres et ancien directeur des enquêtes au sein de la
British UFO Research Association. Il explique :
« Deanna
a enregistré l'interview en vidéo et a ensuite réalisé une
transcription de l'entrevue et a complété son rapport à
Agence avant de vérifier les faits à l'époque
liés à Charles Forgus et au shérif Jess Slaughter - tous deux du
comté de Howard , au Texas. »
« Les
deux étaient sur place et ont pu observer la
récupération de cet objet par l'armée. »
« Je
dois noter que, selon la fille de Deanna, Mackenzie Charles, elle
a fait un effort particulier pour 'ne pas croire ce que
les autres diront', puisque lui et le
shérif ont été témoins du crash de Roswell. Ils avaient entendu
parler de l'accident grâce à la radio de la police ce
qui leur a permis de trouver l'emplacement. »
« Il
est rare qu'un nouveau témoin oculaire apporte
de nouveaux éléments au sujet du crash de Roswell. »
« Lorsque
vous traitez de l'incident de Roswell qui
est une affaire classée, un nouveau témoignage comme
celui-ci peut être précieux. »
« Cela
pourrait confirmer ce que d'autres témoins ont déjà dit ou cela
pourrait être un autre témoin potentiel qui a été éliminé
lors de l'enquête. »
« Donc,
d'une façon ou d'une autre, c'est une information inestimable. Pour
l'avoir en vidéo, c'est un vrai luxe. Je reste ouvert sur le
témoignage de ce monsieur, mais nous espérons qu'en le
rendant public d'autres pourraient nous aider dans nos
enquêtes. »
« J'ose
dire que beaucoup de ceux qui en connaissent beaucoup
plus que moi le sujet de l'incident de Roswell
écriront que cela ne correspond pas au scénario
communément admis. »
« Tout
ce que je dirai, c'est que je travaille pour essayer de trouver plus
d'informations et que je laisse ce 'fichier Roswell'
à disposition. Si quelqu'un qui a lu cela a des informations
concernant l'incident de Roswell, nous les invitons à entrer en
contact avec nous. »
Retranscription
de l'interview (en anglais) :
« Questioner:
What I’m trying to do is pierce together……
CF:
I was working for the Sheriff of. I was a Deputy there for Sheriff
Slaughter, was back in the 40s. We went to Roswell to pick up a
prisoner. When we got there, the land was covered with soldiers. They
were hauling a big, a creature. Hauling him away.
What
I seen of him looked just like the one we see on television, with big
eyes. There was a big round thing in the canyon. It was about 100
feet across. They put that on a truck and hauled it away. They
wouldn’t let us get very close to it either. So we headed up to get
the prisoner in Roswell and back to.
Q:
So you were on your way from to Roswell to pick up a prisoner and you
happened to be at that place……
CF:
It already had crashed. They were taking them out. There were
soldiers there….about 3 or 4 hundred of them. They wouldn’t let
you get very close. They were keeping all the people away. People
were coming out there.
Q:
What did the saucer (we’ll call it) look like?
CF:
It was a big round thing. Across the middle it was about 100 feet.
Q:
Did you see any lights around it?
CF:
No, they went out when it banged into the wall in the creek. It was
like a mountain on the side of the creek.
Q:
Did you see any creatures: How many did you see?
CF:
Yeh, I saw them. I think I seen about four (of them).
Q:
Were they covered up?
CF:
Mostly. I saw the legs and feet on some of them.
Q:
What did the feet look like? Do you remember?
CF:
They looked like our feet.
Q:
Could you figure how tall they were? They were laying flat, Right?
CF:
Yeh, There is one thing I do remember. The Great Father didn’t just
make this planet…. He made all of them. He put beings on these
planets just like he put us on this one. They’re smarter then we
are. They can get from there to here, but we can’t get from here to
there.
(Note:
CF is rather deaf. He wears two hearing aid appliances in this ears,
so he answers my questions as follows :)
Q:
Why do you think they’re here then?
CF:
I don’t know where they hauled them. They might have hauled them to
the hospital or somewhere.
Q:
How long were you and Sheriff Slaughter at that site after you
arrived?
CF:
About 30 Minutes?
Q:
Did you tell anyone about it?
CF:
The Army was there and military soldiers were there.
Q:
Did they tell you not to say anything?
CF:
No, they didn’t tell me nothing’. They wouldn’t let you get
close to ‘em.
Q:
Did they actually see you observing what was going on?
CF:
Sure, they saw me lookin’ at them.
Q:
And they didn’t tell you to not say anything…..
CF:
No, They wouldn’t let us get close to them. We were about 10 away.
Q:
You were that close?
CF:
We might have been further away. I didn’t have glasses then, I
could see pretty good.
Q:
What was your official capacity then?
CF:
I was a Deputy The County Seat was I was riding with the Sheriff when
we went to get the prisoner.
He
didn’t order nobody except me to go with him. The UFO was already
down when we got there. We went and got the prisoner afterwards. We
heard about it on the radio.
Q:
What did you hear on the radio?
CF:
That the thing had crashed.
Q:
But they didn’t know what ‘the thing’ was?
CF:
No. But you would think that when people hear something like this, it
scares the heck out of them. This came out of the police radio. We
were on the way through there (to pick up the prisoner) when we heard
it on the police radio. It was a big distance from to Roswell...you
can look on a map and see it.
Q:
So let me ask you this. When you guys were driving down the road and
you were listening to the police radio……
CF:
Yeh.....
Q:
Do you remember what was said on the radio about whatever it was...
Do you recall?
CF:
All I remember is they said that a saucer crashed out there in the
canyon.
Q:
They actually said the word ‘saucer’?
CF:
They can call it a saucer if they want to but there ain’t a big
enough cup of coffee for that thing.
Q:
How long do you think you were at the site?
CF:
Probably about 20 minutes. We seen them haul them (the bodies) out
there, out of the canyon up to the trucks….puttin them on the tow
trucks so they could haul them.
Q:
Did anyone try to get you to leave the scene.
CF:
No….they told the Sheriff that we had to go. That was good enough
for us….He’s the boss.
Q:
When they were taking the beings, we'll call them beings, were the
beings laying on the ground around the saucer?
CF:
Yeh, they were lifting them up with a crane that they had and picking
them up and swinging them to put them on the truck. The bodies must
have been 5 feet tall.
Q:
Did you see the heads?
CF:
Yeh….they were covered. They eyes looked like the ones we see on
television and the pictures of them.
Q:
What color was the skin?
CF:
As much as I could tell….the skin was a brownish color…. Like
they were in the sun too long.
Q:
From the time it crashed until the time you got there, do you know
how much time went by? From the time you heard it on the police radio
until you got there?
CF:
About two hours.
Q:
Did you see any writing or engraving on the saucer?
CF:
I wasn’t that close to it?
Q:
If you were say 12 feet away from the beings, how far were the beings
away from the saucer. Were they thrown pretty far?
CF;
We couldn’t see that well because of the trees. It was in a
riverbank. It slammed into a river bank. I say them lifting one up
with the crane.
Q:
Did anyone else talk to you about what was going on?
CF:
There were some solders, but I don’t think they were from the Air
Force.
Q:
Where do you think they were from then?
CF:
I don’t know. They were wearing uniforms. I didn’t pay no
attention cause I just wanted to go with the Sheriff to get the heck
out of there before something happened.
Q:
When you guys were in the car to go pick the guy up, did you discuss
or talk about what you had seen with the Sheriff?
CF:
No. I didn’t know what they were and he didn’t either or where
they came from or nothin.
Q:
Did you see any blood on the bodies?
CF:
I don’t know…. I guess they were dead.
Q:
You’re 81 years old now. When and where were you born?
CF:
I was born in I don’t know what city.
Q:
You have been in the army?
CF:
I sure have, before I became a Deputy Sheriff.
Q:
So when this thing at Roswell happened, you were already out of the
Army and were a Deputy Sheriff. That happened in 1947. Now it’s
1999. That was 52 years ago, Charlie. And you still remember it
clearly?
CF:
Yeh, pretty clear.
Q:
Has anyone ever talked to you or asked you to talk about what
happened...like to the Government, cause there’s a lot of research
going on now because of the cover-up.
CF:
There was one that came around, and I told him to shut up and not
come around. I don’t know who they were. That was when I was Deputy
Sheriff.
Q:
When you saw the saucer, can you remember in your mind what it looked
like. Can you draw it?
CF:
No….you draw it?
(Note:
Charlie had the interviewer draw because he broke his arm and can’t
use it). He directed her to draw a circle (not an oval). Then he
directed her to draw another circle with the circle. This was a
drawing of the top of the saucer. Charlie was standing on top of the
opposite side of the bank of the dry creek bed where the saucer had
crashed.
Q:
Were you standing above it?
CF:
I was standing on the back side. The saucer hit the bank on this side
of the creek and I was standing on the other side of the bank, at the
top of the hill. I was looking down at the site.
Q:
So you had a ‘bird’s eye view‘, that’s why you were able to
see the top of it?
CF:
I didn’t have a ‘bird’s eye, I’ve got my own eyes (he laughs)
(showing
Charlie the drawing the interviewer says "if this is the top (of
the saucer), how much higher were you?"
CF:
Probably about 20 feet above it.
Q:
So, that’s why you saw the top (of the saucer). And you say, that
from here to here (across the top of the saucer - diameter) is about
100 feet.
CF:
It was evenly round.
Q:
So it was absolutely round…. Not oval shaped and you were 20 feet
above it, that’s why you saw the top. Did you see the fingers and
hands?
CF:
No, they were covered up. But I saw the head.
Q:
But you said you saw the feet.
CF:
Yeah, later on, when they were passing by I saw the feet. I could see
them lifting it up with the crane. They wouldn’t let you close
enough when they were puttin’ them into the truck. When they were
liftin' them on the crane you could see them layin’ on that thing.
Q:
You said the body was covered. Were the arms layin on the stomach
under the cover?
CF:
When the wind blew, the cover went back so you could see the face.
The same way with the feet.
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